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Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.
So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.
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Puppy Breath wrote:

Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.

You work in a very dull corporate environment. Almost Dickensian. Not everyone processes insurance claims.

So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.

I would expect any sensible company to evaluate it according to their needs and integrate it as those needs dictate. Not many complex products are available in older models for more than a year-or-two, so Microsoft generally allows a longer upgrade cycle than others.
There are plenty of businesses out there who have no idea how to use a spreadsheet more advanced than the Lotus 1-2-3 I first used 20 years ago. I don't expect them to be more alive to the opportunities of educating their workforces in 2010 than they might be now.

Depends on what kind of businesses....
China is most likely to ditch MS all the way and concentrate on Linux, and that country has 2 billion of people and is the fastest growing economy of the world.
I bet that will shift things around.... wouldn't you say?
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.
So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.
Flame me.

Puppy Breath wrote:

Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.
So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.
Flame me.

No, they will love it - especially the corporate version. It has a lot of cool features big places will think of as efficent and convenient.

John Jay Smith wrote:

Depends on what kind of businesses....
China is most likely to ditch MS all the way and concentrate on Linux, and that country has 2 billion of people and is the fastest growing economy of the world.
I bet that will shift things around.... wouldn't you say?

Un-frickin-likely! The Chinese will want Windows Vista as much or more than anyone else, save maybe the Japanese who are gadget crazy. Why do you think when China's President toured the USA, his first stop was Microsoft? To install Linux on his laptop? Not likely.
And while they are at it in China, Microsoft will be promoting Windows in Africa:
http://bink.nu/Article6907.bink
I think this is a good thing. Microsoft has gone a long way to opening its system. I'm thinking of .NET and C#. You can write just about anything with this stuff .. yet Microsoft has opened C# etc. to standards organizations (ECMA) so one could conceivably develop C# programs on, say, a FreeBSD box. The future looks bright.

Puppy,
You gotta realize, the multimedia features you mentioned is just one aspect of Windows Vista. Also, Windows Vista will be available in various editions.
Windows Vista Business will not include things like Media Center for sure, but I can see a Photographer, Printshop taking advantage of Photo Gallery for managing photo libraries of customer photos. Media Player to listen music, who does listen to music at work??? DVD Maker, back up large amounts of data. Parental controls, well, if you are running either Vista Ultimate or Business next year, its possible you could be a mobile user who carries your laptop around, and its used by your kids at home.
Additional features for businesses included in the Enterprise Edition are Virtual PC Express, Bitlocker Drive Encryption, world wide interface languages, subsystem for UNIX applications.
So, there are many business features just as there are home/multimedia features. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.
So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.
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This reminds me of Gulliver's travels, where the little men find the giant lying on the shore and pin him down with ropes.....
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John Jay Smith wrote: Depends on what kind of businesses....
China is most likely to ditch MS all the way and concentrate on Linux, and that country has 2 billion of people and is the fastest growing economy of the world.
I bet that will shift things around.... wouldn't you say?

Un-frickin-likely! The Chinese will want Windows Vista as much or more than anyone else, save maybe the Japanese who are gadget crazy. Why do you think when China's President toured the USA, his first stop was Microsoft? To install Linux on his laptop? Not likely.
And while they are at it in China, Microsoft will be promoting Windows in Africa:
http://bink.nu/Article6907.bink
I think this is a good thing. Microsoft has gone a long way to opening its system. I'm thinking of .NET and C#. You can write just about anything with this stuff .. yet Microsoft has opened C# etc. to standards organizations (ECMA) so one could conceivably develop C# programs on, say, a FreeBSD box. The future looks bright.

Anyone remember Dan Bricklins spreadsheet?
Larry
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Puppy Breath wrote: snipped
There are plenty of businesses out there who have no idea how to use a spreadsheet more advanced than the Lotus 1-2-3 I first used 20 years ago. I don't expect them to be more alive to the opportunities of educating their workforces in 2010 than they might be now.

Lawrence E. Oliver wrote:

Anyone remember Dan Bricklins spreadsheet?

I don't think I ever used VisiCalc - I might have seen it running on some machines. Met Bon Frankston a few years ago, who worked with Bricklin on VisiCalc. I just realised that it's 20 yrs (and 3 months) since I first worked with a spreadsheet ... whooo boy... I have a long running joke with an old friend who was a very highly paid bond trader and who called me up to ask how to widen the columns on a spreadsheet. "Drag 'em" I told her.

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't found anything useful here at all. All the new things it claims I have already been using for some years in other versions of Windows.
I have 25,000 pictures on the PC now. About 25 GB of music. I have had live CNN in a window since Windows 98. DVD writing has been around for years, and most new PCs are already sold with it installed.
I think Vista is a hard sell in anything like it's current form.
Ed
"Puppy Breath" wrote in message

Another member brought up the notion of why different types of users (casual/power/professional) might want to upgrade to Vista. As I play around with this, I can't help but see it aimed squarely at the home user. I mean, Photo Gallery, Media Player, Media Center, DVDMaker, parental controls, etc. aren't exactly the kinds of things you need (or even want) in a "typical" corporate environment where people are supposed to be working.
So the question is, will the business communitly totally reject it on the grounds that the (potentially steep) cost of implementing it isn't justified. What effect will that have in overall adoption? I'll stick my neck out and make a prediction. I predict this will be a 2007-2010 product in the sense that the Vista way of doing things won't be "mainstream" until 2010.
Flame me.

Ed Dixon wrote:

Maybe it's just me, but I haven't found anything useful here at all. All the new things it claims I have already been using for some years in other versions of Windows.
I have 25,000 pictures on the PC now. About 25 GB of music. I have had live CNN in a window since Windows 98. DVD writing has been around for years, and most new PCs are already sold with it installed.
I think Vista is a hard sell in anything like it's current form.

It will depend on new applications written to the new capabilities of the O/S. That will take time to attract the upgraders.
For those purchasing new PCs though, they'll get all of that out of the box (assuming it all works as planned).

Puppy Breath wrote:

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